A slight correction and another look at Paul Landis and the drinking incident by Joe Backes

A slight correction and another look at Paul Landis and the drinking incident by Joe Backes

I had previously written a small post on the White House Secret Service agents who abandoned JFK at the Hotel Texas in Ft. Worth and went drinking.  It was in reaction to the ridiculous lies that they are peddling while they promote their book, and in reaction to the zombified media that won’t question anything, or call a liar a liar.After doing some brief research because I wanted to get my reaction out there I was struck by one point, that one Secret Service agent stayed out drinking until 5:00 a.m. The problem with confronting and contradicting the lie is that you often have to spend a great deal of time researching a topic, then getting the information and your thoughts together and then write or speak up in time for people to even remember the lie.  The lie and the truth are rarely in the same news cycle.

So, I used secondary sources citing that it was Paul Landis, the very same agent telling lies and promoting a book, who was the one who stayed out until 5:00 a.m.  Manchester seemed afraid to publicly name Landis as this agent.  (See page 88 of “The Death of a President” Perennial Library edition 1988.)  Vince Palamara had no such qualms and did name Landis. But, even he did not use the primary source, Landis’ own report, properly, in my opinion.

Vince in Chapter 6, page 16 had an endnote 157.

I mistakenly thought it was 137.  So, I tracked down and purchased a hard to find book that I didn’t really need.

And I wondered why it wasn’t telling me anything about the Secret Service drinking incident.  So, I goofed there.  However, I would recommend this book to JFK researchers.  It is interesting in the area of secure communications.  So, making an error can take you to interesting books and ideas you might never have looked at.  But, back to the drinking incident.

Landis himself wrote “I departed ‘The Cellar’ at approximately 5:00 a.m.” This is in Warren Commission Volume 18 p. 687.  This is part of Commission Exhibit 1020.

I think Vince’s work would be a little bit better if this was right there in the text of page 16, which it is not.  Nor, is this in endnote 157.  The endnote has this, “In his Secret Service report dated November 30, 1963 [CD 3 Exhibits], Landis wrote: “[At Love Field] … I remember speaking to him [Sam Kinney] and standing by the follow-up car and jokingly asking him if he could tell me where the follow-up car was.” In light of Landis’s drinking and obvious lack of sleep, perhaps he wasn’t joking after all.”

Vince is implying, probably correctly, that Landis was still quite drunk and could not identify the car his fat behind was leaning against.  But, I would have preferred to have the line straight from Landis’ own report here instead of another anecdote, even though it too is from Landis, that he is still basically drunk.

I like Vince and I’m amazed by his work on the Secret Service.  But, he sometimes doesn’t realize how good his information really is.  Vince didn’t put this little gem into his text in Chapter 6 page 16, nor is it in the endnote.  Nor does the endnote really get you to Volume 18 p. 687.  Fortunately, the Mary Ferrell site is laid out well so I didn’t have to read the entirety of CD#3.   

Now when you read Landis’ own report it’s even worse for he says he left The Cellar at “approximately” 5:00 a.m.  So, he could have stayed and not left until after 5:00 a.m.

Another interesting factor that needs some research, that David Lifton noted on the Simkin forum, is that the reports from several individual Secret Service agents do not appear to be written on official U.S. Government, Treasury Department or Secret Service stationary.

Examples of this are:

1.) Report of Arthur L. Godfrey
2.) Report of Roy Kellerman 
3.) Report of Stewart G Stout Jr.,
4.) Report of Rufus Youngblood
5.) Report of Rufus Youngblood page 2
6.) Report of Glenn A Bennett
7.) Report of Andrew E Berger
8.) Report of Gerald S Blaine
9.) Report of David B Grant
10.) Report of Clint Hill
11.) Report of Paul E Landis 
12.) Report of Donald J Lawton
13.) Report of John D. Ready

I am not saying all of the above drank.  I am curious as to why the reports are not on official stationary.

Some agents reports are half a page with another agent giving his report on the bottom half.  It’s very odd.  Now was the Warren Commission cropping these report so we didn’t see the whole page? But, they reproduce whole pages for these others:

1.) Report of Emory P Roberts
2.) Report of Paul A Burns
3.) Report of Richard E Johnsen
4.) Report of Ernest E. Olson, Jr.,
5.) Report of Gerald W. O’Rourke

So, what’s going on? I don’t know. The investigation continues.  

Posted by Joseph Backes at 4:06 PM
VMP- thanks, Joe; much appreciated! I really like your blog and your insights :O)

About vincepalamara

Vincent Palamara was born in Pittsburgh and graduated from Duquesne University with a degree in Sociology. Although not even born when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Vince brings fresh eyes to an old case. In fact, Vince would go on to study the largely overlooked actions - and inactions - of the United States Secret Service in unprecedented detail, as well as achieving a world's record in the process, having interviewed and corresponded with over 80 former agents (the House Select Committee on Assassinations had the old record of 46 with a 6 million dollar budget and subpoena power from Congress), not to mention many surviving family members, White House aides, and even quite a few Parkland and Bethesda medical witnesses for a corresponding project. The result was Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The Failure To Protect President Kennedy. Vince is also the author of the books JFK: From Parkland To Bethesda, The Not-So-Secret Service, Who's Who in the Secret Service, and Honest Answers about the Murder of President John F. Kennedy: A New Look at the JFK Assassination. All told, Vince has been favorably mentioned in over 140 JFK and Secret Service related books to date (including two whole chapters in Murder in Dealey Plaza, The Secret Service: The Hidden History Of An Enigmatic Agency by Philip Melanson, and the Final Report of the Assassination Records Review Board, among many others), often at length, in the bibliographies, and in the Secret Service - and even medical evidence - areas of these works. Vince has appeared on the History Channel's THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY (VHS and DVD), C-SPAN, Newsmax TV, A COUP IN CAMELOT (DVD/BLU RAY), KING KILL '63, THE MAN BEHIND THE SUIT (DVD), National Geographic's JFK: THE FINAL HOURS (including on DVD), PCN, BPTV, local cable access television, YouTube, radio, newspapers, print journals, at national conferences, and all over the internet. Also, Vince's original research materials, or copies of said materials, are stored in the National Archives (by request under Deed Of Gift by the ARRB), the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library, Harvard University, the Assassination Archives and Research Center, and the Dallas Public Library. Vince Palamara has become known (as he was dubbed by the History Channel in 2003) "the Secret Service expert." As former JFK Secret Service agent Joe Paolella proclaimed: "You seem to know a lot about the Secret Service, maybe even more than I do!" Agent Dan Emmett calls Vince a Secret Service expert in his new book.
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2 Responses to A slight correction and another look at Paul Landis and the drinking incident by Joe Backes

  1. Jim Conley says:

    A friend told they were reading a book. Unknown title. They read information that Landis had seen what appears to be a bullet fragment at Parkland lay on an area of the car where the top fastened. He was said to have simply tossed back inside the limo possibly onto the seat.
    It’s odd he never testifies for the WC. any conformation of this ?

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