A slight correction and another look at Paul Landis and the drinking incident by Joe Backes
So, I used secondary sources citing that it was Paul Landis, the very same agent telling lies and promoting a book, who was the one who stayed out until 5:00 a.m. Manchester seemed afraid to publicly name Landis as this agent. (See page 88 of “The Death of a President” Perennial Library edition 1988.) Vince Palamara had no such qualms and did name Landis. But, even he did not use the primary source, Landis’ own report, properly, in my opinion.
Vince in Chapter 6, page 16 had an endnote 157.
I mistakenly thought it was 137. So, I tracked down and purchased a hard to find book that I didn’t really need.
And I wondered why it wasn’t telling me anything about the Secret Service drinking incident. So, I goofed there. However, I would recommend this book to JFK researchers. It is interesting in the area of secure communications. So, making an error can take you to interesting books and ideas you might never have looked at. But, back to the drinking incident.
Landis himself wrote “I departed ‘The Cellar’ at approximately 5:00 a.m.” This is in Warren Commission Volume 18 p. 687. This is part of Commission Exhibit 1020.
I think Vince’s work would be a little bit better if this was right there in the text of page 16, which it is not. Nor, is this in endnote 157. The endnote has this, “In his Secret Service report dated November 30, 1963 [CD 3 Exhibits], Landis wrote: “[At Love Field] … I remember speaking to him [Sam Kinney] and standing by the follow-up car and jokingly asking him if he could tell me where the follow-up car was.” In light of Landis’s drinking and obvious lack of sleep, perhaps he wasn’t joking after all.”
Vince is implying, probably correctly, that Landis was still quite drunk and could not identify the car his fat behind was leaning against. But, I would have preferred to have the line straight from Landis’ own report here instead of another anecdote, even though it too is from Landis, that he is still basically drunk.
I like Vince and I’m amazed by his work on the Secret Service. But, he sometimes doesn’t realize how good his information really is. Vince didn’t put this little gem into his text in Chapter 6 page 16, nor is it in the endnote. Nor does the endnote really get you to Volume 18 p. 687. Fortunately, the Mary Ferrell site is laid out well so I didn’t have to read the entirety of CD#3.
Now when you read Landis’ own report it’s even worse for he says he left The Cellar at “approximately” 5:00 a.m. So, he could have stayed and not left until after 5:00 a.m.
Another interesting factor that needs some research, that David Lifton noted on the Simkin forum, is that the reports from several individual Secret Service agents do not appear to be written on official U.S. Government, Treasury Department or Secret Service stationary.
Examples of this are:
1.) Report of Arthur L. Godfrey
2.) Report of Roy Kellerman
3.) Report of Stewart G Stout Jr.,
4.) Report of Rufus Youngblood
5.) Report of Rufus Youngblood page 2
6.) Report of Glenn A Bennett
7.) Report of Andrew E Berger
8.) Report of Gerald S Blaine
9.) Report of David B Grant
10.) Report of Clint Hill
11.) Report of Paul E Landis
12.) Report of Donald J Lawton
13.) Report of John D. Ready
I am not saying all of the above drank. I am curious as to why the reports are not on official stationary.
Some agents reports are half a page with another agent giving his report on the bottom half. It’s very odd. Now was the Warren Commission cropping these report so we didn’t see the whole page? But, they reproduce whole pages for these others:
1.) Report of Emory P Roberts
2.) Report of Paul A Burns
3.) Report of Richard E Johnsen
4.) Report of Ernest E. Olson, Jr.,
5.) Report of Gerald W. O’Rourke
So, what’s going on? I don’t know. The investigation continues.
A friend told they were reading a book. Unknown title. They read information that Landis had seen what appears to be a bullet fragment at Parkland lay on an area of the car where the top fastened. He was said to have simply tossed back inside the limo possibly onto the seat.
It’s odd he never testifies for the WC. any conformation of this ?
That is from Blaine’s mostly crap book THE KENNEDY DETAIL. We only have Landis word for this, but it sounds plausible